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Stoicism
“Is it over for stoic bros?” (6 January 2025)
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Stoicism done right, for GritCult, is total command of one's own mind: an emotional stability that others mistake for coldness, though he himself equates having no emotions with clarity. Detachment, objectivity, contempt for the external. But it's a tool on the barbell, not a personality, and sometimes he puts it down and lets everything piss him off.

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GritCult's starting complaint is that most people simply do not understand stoicism [1]. Writing about emotional stability in 2024, he notes that some dismiss it as being cold and stoic, and answers that they don't understand: being in TOTAL control of one's own mind is, for him, one of the greatest powers anyone can have, and no emotions means clarity [2]. His 2018 notes headed "stoic" set out the practice: keep compliments from going to the head, do not take complaints to heart, and cultivate true objectivity of self and true independence [3]. Later that year he draws the line against meditation: meditation is thought detachment, stoicism is constant detachment, and attachment is an illusion [4].

He also draws a line most people miss: thinking too much is not stoic but emotional, because too many thoughts are an emotional response [5]. For the practice itself he looks to Rome, where, he says, Stoics would deliberately get bad haircuts and wear bad clothes to test their resolve, to show they truly did not give a fuck about anything external [6]. Indifference, on this reading, has to be tested, not merely claimed.

Nor is it to be worshipped. Life runs on a barbell: either really serious or really in the mood to joke, either really stoic or really epicurean, and knowing when to use each tool is the whole game [7]. And some days, he says, it is time to say fuck rationality, fuck stoicism, fuck trying to be calm, and to let everything piss him off, because that fire is fuel when calm won't move him [8]. The real target is passivity: the post ends with an order to stop being passive and start being angry [8].

Recurring themes

  • control of mind; no emotion as clarity
  • detachment from externals as practice
  • the barbell: stoic vs epicurean
  • overthinking is itself emotion
  • testing resolve, building antifragility
  • when to abandon calm and feel

Notable post

The most retweeted GritCult post on the subject, with 955 retweets:

Is it over for stoic bros?
GRITCULT on X, 6 January 2025

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The 120 most retweeted of 133 posts in the archive about Stoicism. Select a column heading to sort.

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6 January 202595523,309Is it over for stoic bros?Post imageView
18 March 20251823,079stoicismPost imageView
18 December 202490937sometimes you gotta say fuck rationality, fuck stoicism and fuck logic. fuck making sense and trying to be calm

and you gotta start taking shit personally, just let everything piss u the fuck off so u can feel that fire fuel inside of you. stop being passive, start being angry
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23 August 201830176barbell strategy to life :

either really serious
or really in the mood to joke

either really stoic
or really epicurean

knowing how to balance this and when to use the tools in most optimal fashion
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2 October 20182496You can be a slave to logic as much as you can be a slave to emotion.

Reflections on stoic/epicurean dichotomy.
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19 August 201819118broke : inspirational twitter

woke : me posting depressing facts, stats and trends so you internalise a level of relative stoicism making you more antifragile in real life, thus benefiting from new insights you have come to through via your own socratic dialogue
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31 August 20181655stoic

don't let compliments get to your head
and
don't take complaints to heart

cultivate true objectivity of self.
and true independence
people will sacrifice truth for temporary people

Don’t Take Anything Personally.
Establish and take control over your own frame.
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13 December 20221381If you think too much. You are not stoic. You are emotional. Too many thoughts are an emotional response.View
27 February 20249160The older you get the more you understand how necessary being emotionally stable is.

Some say it’s being cold and stoic. They don’t understand.

But being in TOTAL control of your own mind. Is one of the greatest powers anyone can have.

NO EMOTIONS = CLARITY
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5 June 2018724also also why a person can "quick" but they can still be a fool and lack common sense

knowledge =/= wisdom

which is why i recommend my young bucks to learn stoicism and how to reason by learning mental models of rationality and critical thinking.

philosophy => mind software
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29 September 2019640The black pill is meant to be consumed in order to better fortify your internal memetic immune systems. It’s a vaccine against greater calamities. Think of the stoics who used to practice the thought of visualising the worst possible scenarios and realising “life goes on.”View
22 July 2021561broke : inspirational twitter

woke : me posting depressing facts, stats and trends so you internalise a level of relative stoicism making you more antifragile in real life, thus benefiting from new insights you have come to through via your own socratic dialogue
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9 February 2018550shower thoughts: maybe the rise in stoicism has been what Nietzsche was talking about the ubermensch start to making their own values in a world that has no meaning.View
10 November 201956@tomxhart Being stoic makes it easier to kill and commit acts that would break those susceptible to emotions.

You also should mention Marcus Aurelius’ drive for expansion of empire. And his hatred of Christians.

See also : warrior monks.
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13 January 2023491Stoics in Ancient Rome would purposely get bad haircuts and wear bad clothes. To test their resolve.

To show they truly did not give a fuck about anything external to them.
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10 August 2025486Some of the biggest cucks in history were stoics fwiw.View
10 August 2018420siri, what did peter theil, a major player in big tech, major in at standford?

siri : philosophy

there is plenty of philosophy in silicon valley, all trying to compete on whos life is the most examined

they even gamified stoicism and meditation
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30 October 2018414Meditation = thought detachment.
Stoicism = constant detachment.

Attachment is an illusion.
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9 August 2018413Dont Listen to these IYIs
stoicism, self improvement and learning of virtues is essential in living a good life

the modern world wants you to mindlessly consume

no notion of dedication, or striving
then they blame toxic masculinity and patriachy

lost
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27 May 201849response to the above
i think the epipany stage stems from culture and being taught
one can come to this intra-culture of the mind, by convergent meme trajectories
[how similar traits evolve via different paths]

being taught scientific method/indifference and stoicism will help
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22 October 201844This is IT chieftain.

FUCK NIRVANA

a quotable.

I too prefer stoicism
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6 November 201843Default mode : AGGRESSIVE.

This is true stoic meditation. Singular focus mode.

Let go of that whole dude abides shit.

Get that energy.

“extreme success results from an extreme personality.

Be obsessed.” -Justine Musk.
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8 March 2019370you can live a rich life and still be detached/stoicView
25 May 2021352Most people sinply do not understand stoicism.Post imageView
14 July 2021342barbell strategy to life :

either really serious
or really in the mood to joke

either really stoic
or really epicurean

knowing how to balance this and when to use the tools in most optimal fashion
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30 September 2018336last year i was going to organise a stoic weekend retreat

logistics required too much effort relative to pay off

pay off : intense learning and networking. walking and talking about philosophy

may do attempt another IRL lyceum in the foreseeable future as i like the concept
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25 January 2019317Most people in the world are SOY. They rebuke the notion of death. Scared of it. Fear it.

This is not Bushido. This is not stoic, it is nihilistic avoidance of a truth. Of reality.

"Who knows the end ?
What has risen may sink & what has sunk may rise."
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16 May 201838"A nation is born stoic and dies epicurean." - Will Durant.View
21 August 201837“The penalty for not participating in politics is to be governed by your inferiors”
plato

“man is a political animal”
aristotle

focus on self, but biologically bound to humanity

see stoic cosmopolitanism
see roman duty
social capital = honest signal
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18 October 2018224In stoicism, there is a practice called insult pacifism. Someone insults you, you insult yourself further. Ie
-"Ur ugly"
-"yeah im fat too"

tweeted on this day last year on this account.
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19 September 2018214Decadence is unbecoming.

Nations are built stoic.
With blood and soil.
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24 June 201824stoic thought
The Stoic motto “live according to nature” - epictetus

are we social animals?

- levels of hierarchy of (preferred indifferents)/(goods by relation)

principle of oikeiôsis/cosmopolitanism.

Hierocles : his ideas of a series of contracting circles of concern:
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20 November 2020172Practicing stoicism Rn.

Lost couple hundred via gambling today.
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11 July 2021164This is what stoicism is meant to look like.View
26 June 2023159Currently thinking about what book to send to a family member in prison?

What would you recommend?

I was thinking the stoic classics
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14 February 2021128PEOPLE WILL LAUGH AT STOICISM YET GET TRIGGERED BY SOCIAL MEDIAView
29 June 2023121Nah it didn’t

Stoicism is a timeless 3000 year old idea.

It won’t really “die” it’s a corner stone of all thought
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8 September 2018117I only practice stoicism, because I am TOO hot bloodedView
25 May 2018115DNA of conservatives tends to wipe out in wars, returns to the mean
see the meme of strong men create good times -> weak men-> bad times

"a nation born stoic, dies epicurean" could have genetic basis

but as time goes on, war happens less
what happens to genes in the future ?
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19 June 2018114[disclaimer: im straight edge and it goes against stoicism]
[disclaimer II : i was at that place, due to me being high in openness and extraversion - manifests in creativity and wide interests etc]

the broke coke fiend, tells me, i shouldnt be saying that

i was flabergasted.
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20 October 2018113Esoteric stoic.View
20 November 2020111no one is as insufferable as the people whose personalities are shaped by the most recent book, or film they consumed

overnight catholics one day, stoic buddhists the next

the worst thing about modernity is the proliferation of the midwit dunning kruger
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12 June 202118MEDITATION = THOUGHT DETACHMENT.
STOICISM = CONSTANT DETACHMENT.

ATTACHMENT IS AN ILLUSION. …
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27 April 201816reading a book on japanese minimalism,
its meh

as minimalism is an escape of things - escaping reality, they are just things.
materialism misunderstood can be hell, it can also serve purpose

stoicism is knowing things dont matter, or rather you ought to be indifferent to them
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17 August 201816stoicism, i believe, may have also pushed me to first principles, scrutinous logic and ruthless rationalityView
17 April 201814Stoicism teaches us that, before we try to control events, we have to control ourselves first. Our attempts to exert influence on the world are subject to chance, disappointment, and failure--but control of the self is the only kind that can succeed 100% of the time.View
6 June 201814stoicism, psychedelics and death.View
24 September 201814I would like to reach psychopathic levels of stoicism.

No emotion.
Only :
Toil,
Blood
& Soil.
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30 October 201814it means attempting to do so.

but being completely stoic, is not for everyone.

vulcans in star trek lore are only stoic, because their emotions are more intense than that of humans
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10 July 201813stoic reflection ties in with samurai reflections on death

thread :
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5 June 201812“In largest frame, everything is fine.” sounds very much like the message Lucius Annaeus Seneca preached to Roman readers of the mid-first century, relying on Stoic philosophy, rather than an organic hallucinogen, as a way to glimpse that truth

Interconnectedness of all things
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23 June 201812note

sympathy =/= empathy

both sympathy and empathy => rooted in Greek word "pathos"
meaning “feelings, emotion, or passion.”

Stoics differentiated:
involuntary emotional reactions (propatheiai)
unhealthy emotions (pathē)
healthy ones (eupatheiai)
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9 August 201812stats show this too.

more stoicism, more male guidance.
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2 March 201811I dont think you need religion to appreciate traditionalism. Thats Hitchens downfall. One can extrapolate from stoicism the notion of preferred indifferents and apply it to cultural heuristics.View
22 April 201811two come to me: satre and neitzsche
on ubermen and sisyphus a type of stoicism and acceptance

the state of world is the state of the world, the more i learn and peer into the crystal ball of history the more i realise the world was always similar,

either way it doesnt matter
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5 June 201811Wealth and position were regarded by the Stoics as adiaphora, “indifferents,” conducing neither to happiness nor to its opposite. Freedom and health were desirable only in that they allowed one to keep one’s thoughts and ethical choices in harmony with Logos, the divine Reason.View
9 June 201811@aknhkns i think religion is a more powerful meme
in terms of mind virus

more encapsulating

helps create more of an identity

although i still highly recommend everyone read into modern stoicism, you have to constantly be on the ball with it, its a way of thinking unlike religion imo
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27 November 201811@TheHedonist5 @0x49fa98 Empathy is over rated as a heuristic. I use egotistic altruism to make sure my behaviours fit a socially acceptable pattern up to a limit. Consequential reasoning.

But even sympathy and empathy are different. Stoics embrace one not the other.
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15 May 201810The Stoic philosopher (and former slave) Epictetus opined that ‘men are disturbed not by things, but by the view which they take of them’.View
28 June 201810@ALT_70V3 im not sure

but if you want balance - see golden mean by aristotle

he says virtue consists of balance

personally im a neo-stoic

only do if it serves a purpose

also fits in with the heiracrhy of good ive derived from aristotle here :
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15 October 201810@LeaWSol @primetheus2 @bronzeagemantis It's pretty basic stoic philosophy too
Among others.
I think it's a way of deflection too. If someone curses you or something. The less.
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19 November 201810@DonStoppable This is the crux of most debate to be honest.
Things get lost in translation.

Why at the Beginning one must seek to understand the other person.

I value stoicism as strength. Think masculinity and femininity should be separate entities.
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25 November 201810@punknomad Don't really pay it mind.
Stoicism helps.

Can you change it ?
If yes. Then do so.
If no. Then do not.

Mind recursion is hell.
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24 July 2023030Practicing stoicism Rn.

Lost couple hundred via gambling today.
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27 July 2021025Most people sinply do not understand stoicism.Post imageView
3 April 2023021being offended by words is pretty juvenile the more i think about it.

perhaps also a luxury of my own status and stoicism
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11 October 2021020STOIC

DON'T LET COMPLIMENTS GET TO YOUR HEAD
AND
DON'T TAKE COMPLAINTS TO HEART

CULTIVATE TRUE OBJECTIVITY OF SELF.
AND TRUE INDEPENDENCE
PEOPLE WILL SACRIFICE TRUTH FOR TEMPORARY PEOPLE

DON’T TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLY.
ESTABLISH AND TAKE CONTROL OVER YOUR OWN FRAME.
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3 March 2020018if i die, i die.

prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

idk i think this is where my stoic training kicks in, i get bored quick
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20 November 2020018most stoics are pussy soy boys.

thinking being numb is a compensation for being stunted.
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16 August 2018013havent really recouped my losses in terms of money

it was alot

im restricted in certain activities so to speak

stoic mindset - the past is the past
hit obstacles head on

6 months later, my work was being featured in magazines and i was making money
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2 April 2020012she has dementia too and is blind.

im pretty stoic, chances are she will die soon.
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9 February 2019011@Libera_Rex Stoic response : " I am indifferent"View
13 November 202009sermon about stoicism and politics as a religion in my cult sermonView
18 January 201805since i started crypto, i have been keeping a diary a journal a stoic reference of events, and you would be surprised the number of times i have to write in there the amount of people that want to see it fail, i cant even put it in anymoreView
21 April 201805@EvilRavinci dont rely on it tho

difference between dreams vs goals

yh man no point crying either, either it happens or it dont.
dichotomy of control. - stoicism
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3 March 202105REVEALING A SECRET HERE, MIGHT GET ASSASSINATED THE STOIC AVI PLATITUDE GURUS, BUT WHEN U GRADUATE TO 10K, YOU GET A TWITTER PASSPORTView
3 July 201804its a tool.

channel it, control it !

stoic temperance falters with applied anger, aggression and passion

know when to apply the tool, when the environment and when the situation calls for it.

what motivates me ? love and hate !
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9 October 201804imagine emotional vulnerability at the time of the holocaust

your ideology has serious flaws.

stoicism is personal growth, if i let my trauma get to me, id commit suicide or self medicate
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26 November 202004@BGZeroTwoOne @leoncastilloVC @vitabenes @DeeperThrill @Libera_Rex Grug eat meat. Grug is stoic. Buy my course.View
17 January 201903@Pseudoplotinus @MimeticValue the choice to live ethically is a aesthetic orientation is my argument.
you find something of value(sublime) in the associated aesthetics of living ethically,
personally im more stoic than epicurean. i find hedonism gets boring after a while lmao
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4 March 201802@roinoir I tried to explain notion of how happiness isnt or shouldn't be a goal with a dense tumblr girl on here.
Ended up blocking her.

In stoicism the goal is to live well.
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31 March 201802The Stoic idea that you are either virtuous or vicious - there being no middle ground.View
27 April 201802seeing some claim stoicism is only a mitigation of downsides not up

but also success and material wealth, one must be cautious of

how often have we seen hubris before the fall - corruption

“To accept it without arrogance, to let it go with indifference.” - Marcus Aurelius
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23 October 201802Reply so good I gotta thread it

True it also coincides with societal life cycles

Born stoic.
Die Epicurean
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10 February 201902@AmericanZabiha @BBennaghmouch @Libera_Rex stoic response : "my notifications are on mute brah"View
23 January 201801@selobound @0511_95 - what we were talking about, many girls just become the same one. shifting of hedonistic values to more work and goal orientation, eudaimonia and stoicismView
24 January 201801@Crypto_Destro @Crypto2U i think its the move away from hedonism and nihilism, both have made society worse off. stoicism and eudaimonia will improve society, itll encourage people to be more work and goal orientated etcView
10 April 201801@FlokiandRagnar it also made me see the world through history and how powerful tradition and evolution is . it made me more creative and more disciplined
it made me more curious
more knowledge hungry
it made me satisfied with life constantly, stoic
it made me conservative too funnily enough
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17 April 201801The embrace of cosmopolitanism (a word invented by Stoics, literally means world-city) made Stoicism the ideal philosophy for the Roman Empire, which brought an unprecedented range of races and religions into contact. Stoicism made sense for a globalized world--and it still does.View
4 May 201801imagine despising types of disgrace, a true stoic. to only be affected by what one chooses to be affected by. true self masteryView
11 May 201801@FlokiandRagnar Stoic texts first and foremostView
21 May 201801@Teniisliveo yeah i know, its a Sisyphean task
see: the myth of sisyphus, good philosophical reading.

yeah ofc, nothing has changed in me, just more stoic, and ambivalent with it, life goes on and such init
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24 May 201801"Bakhoum sees this interaction as a positive development, adding that the Chinese and Africans have similar attitudes towards work and family"

say good bye to western nihilist(hedonist) degeneracy

but then again nations are born stoic and die epicurean
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16 June 201801how stoicism will help

indifferents

coupled with hierarchy of indifferents

preferred indifferents judged on their basis of good recieved

see this thread for more on how to categorise externals and their good value
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24 June 201801to accept tribalism

would according to the stoics in my opinion, be considered living within nature

but still allowing for cosmopolitanism

as you incentivise - pluralism

more localised power dynamics. - allows more competition in governance and types of lifestyles.
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26 June 201801pluralism => cosmopolitanism => via empathy as explained by stoics cited couple tweets aboveView
3 August 201801@The_WGD Will Durant would agree. (civs start out stoic)

some say its a similar reason why the economies of ancient civilisations fell

as would sociologists(not pomo), in the end phase, it gets hedonist and dysgenic
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4 September 201801@prophoenixsophy @seunn99 altruism maybe

or how stoic they are or outlook
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9 October 201801fractalisation of self

consider stoic differentiation

treating everyone the same also considered harmful
why democracy falters as it scales.
tribalism and human biology limitation
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19 October 201801@HRHFCharles How to stop. I'm.not sure personally I'm first principles and stoic.
So hyper logic.

Detached too
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8 January 201901@rfinz @visakanv personally i think its just one mental model, that should be used as a tool depending on the problem at hand, from your toolbox of mental models.

if there is a disaster and people require me to lead, i will be a stoic leader, at a funeral or party or festival less so.
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17 January 201901@Pseudoplotinus @MimeticValue interesting, ive read fear and trembling.

not familiar with either/or, seems contrary my currently held observations

id retort, actually writing a paper on this, that the aesthetic "varies" to the person
you can have a stoic "aesthetic" (orientation)
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25 November 201901@JimmyRis To say I don't care would be a stoic understatementView
25 September 202001@SpeakSoCalm @fistlosopher because you have to ?

its of a stoic nature.
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23 January 201800i still have a problem with anger, idk how much stoicism can help me with this, or maybe i am not applying enough, this month i have threatened wayyyy too many people this month alone. one of my biggest problems in my life.View
7 February 201800@marcusjonno123 Its good, havent gotten too far, but i journal or atleast try to quite a bit, due to stoicism. so its not transformed life like thatView
8 February 201800@mdpopescu @BretMaverick777 @mnrothbard Since we are bringing up individual cases. Ill bring up stoicism. The act within itself is good. How? You do not limit the utility of others given the choice. Ergo you dont act against virtue.View
11 February 201800@anarchistdaddy @metalqueersoIid Consumption essentially. Where as the other paths of the philosophy state pleasure is in fact on the scale of indifferents. Stoicism talks about this. Its like chasing the dragon. Long and meaningful existence comes from other aspects of life and interaction of things within it.View
23 February 201800@Noahpinion i do point that out earlier. same with the notion of god, religion and other delusions.
however still unconvinced romantic love exists,
emotion, philosophy, particularly the field of stoicism, says this detracts from the notion of first principles, emotion is a barrier.
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10 April 201800stoicism and 🅱️eterson thoughtView
12 May 201800@seunn99 yeah i say that in the thread, second tweet i think, stressing the importance for understanding religion from a memetic stand point

i am a materialist, i dont believe in a soul

look into stoic beliefs into cosmology or whatever they state, if there is or isnt, it doenst matter
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12 May 201800@seunn99 same

i do it more to fit in and accrue trust.

ppl are less likely to trust atheists funnily enough

im more stoic in terms of caring
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24 May 201800@seunn99 never knew nero to be a stoicView
31 May 201800then again
can one live religiously, without "believing"

i think you can, stoicism is a mental based heuristic and other religions can be treated as such

spirituality doesnt exist

but looking at jordan peterson, one can live religiously without giving up rationality.
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17 June 201800@denimchicken21 yeah ahaha

what can i say,

shouldnt put too much emotional investment in people
most would be better off learning stoicism.

best to learn it as soon as possible.
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22 June 201800@MimeticValue 100%

huge overlap with stoic practice too

memento mori
and via negativa (tmk) - imaging the worst, like losing everything, every morning

links back to inner-outer tool mental model.

in Buddhist practice is there any "rationale" as to why its good?
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23 June 201800@SupaMalaman you right

but i dont know if it was specifically seneca or the stoics, of which i am a fan of

but i think roman society in whole was very past focused
on ancestor worship too
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23 June 201800this is a really good point maybe empathy was a wrong word but rather understanding.

stems from stoic argument on empathy

"’empathy’ is when you understand the feelings of another but do not necessarily share them"

CITE:
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6 July 201800@10lettername I wouldn't consider a book about a niche obscure topic

but rather one that has sweeping applicable knowledge
a vast array of topics

above are my reccomendations

have read em both this year - easy reads

for more mindset - something from the stoics
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27 July 201800Thought update :

stoicism is merely a tool to be utilised, depending on the situation

still hold same view on ubermensch and ability to construct ones own value system
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History

GritCult first posted about Stoicism on 18 January 2018, and most recently on 10 August 2025. Across the archive the subject comes up 133 times, most often in 2018 (92 posts).

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References

  1. ^GRITCULT [@GRITCULT] (25 May 2021). Most people sinply do not understand stoicism. X.
  2. ^GRITCULT [@GRITCULT] (27 February 2024). Some say it's being cold and stoic. They don't understand. But being in TOTAL control of your own mind. Is one of the greatest powers anyone can have... NO EMOTIONS = CLARITY. X.
  3. ^GRITCULT [@GRITCULT] (31 August 2018). don't let compliments get to your head and don't take complaints to heart... cultivate true objectivity of self. and true independence. X.
  4. ^GRITCULT [@GRITCULT] (30 October 2018). Meditation = thought detachment. Stoicism = constant detachment. Attachment is an illusion. X.
  5. ^GRITCULT [@GRITCULT] (13 December 2022). If you think too much. You are not stoic. You are emotional. Too many thoughts are an emotional response. X.
  6. ^GRITCULT [@GRITCULT] (13 January 2023). Stoics in Ancient Rome would purposely get bad haircuts and wear bad clothes. To test their resolve. To show they truly did not give a fuck about anything external to them. X.
  7. ^GRITCULT [@GRITCULT] (23 August 2018). barbell strategy to life :... either really stoic or really epicurean... knowing how to balance this and when to use the tools in most optimal fashion. X.
  8. ^GRITCULT [@GRITCULT] (18 December 2024). sometimes you gotta say fuck rationality, fuck stoicism and fuck logic... just let everything piss u the fuck off so u can feel that fire fuel inside of you. X.

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